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		<title>By: Joseph H. Garrett</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-283</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph H. Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 20:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you'll get a copy of the May 2003 "Discover" magazine you'll find an article entitled "OIl From Anything".  It tell about a method of processing "anything with carbon in it" [with the expceptions of carbon alloyed metals and spent carbon control rods] to produce oil.
 
     The fascinating part of it is that the company named has built and is now operating a $20,000,000 plant in Carthage, Missouri that's producing oil by processing the discharge from Mr. Tyson's turkey processing plant.  [I mention this to tell you that, according to the writer, this process isn't experimental and that there's a high net btu recovery from its use.]
 
      The whole thing's proprietary but - based on the inventor's supposed willingness to sell franchises - could be expanded rapidly.     
 
     This presents the prospect of the nation increasing its domestically generated oil supply by processing the millions of tons of garbage that otherwise gets buried in land fills or dumped off-shore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;ll get a copy of the May 2003 &#8220;Discover&#8221; magazine you&#8217;ll find an article entitled &#8220;OIl From Anything&#8221;.  It tell about a method of processing &#8220;anything with carbon in it&#8221; [with the expceptions of carbon alloyed metals and spent carbon control rods] to produce oil.</p>
<p>     The fascinating part of it is that the company named has built and is now operating a $20,000,000 plant in Carthage, Missouri that&#8217;s producing oil by processing the discharge from Mr. Tyson&#8217;s turkey processing plant.  [I mention this to tell you that, according to the writer, this process isn't experimental and that there's a high net btu recovery from its use.]</p>
<p>      The whole thing&#8217;s proprietary but - based on the inventor&#8217;s supposed willingness to sell franchises - could be expanded rapidly.     </p>
<p>     This presents the prospect of the nation increasing its domestically generated oil supply by processing the millions of tons of garbage that otherwise gets buried in land fills or dumped off-shore.</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 14:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was in 2004 a very interesting paper published titled “An Investigation of the Feasibility of Coal-based Methanol for the Application in Transportation Fuel Cell Systems”.   The website for the study is:
 
 http://www.methanol.org/pdfFrame.cfm?pdf=MethanolFromCoalReport.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was in 2004 a very interesting paper published titled “An Investigation of the Feasibility of Coal-based Methanol for the Application in Transportation Fuel Cell Systems”.   The website for the study is:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.methanol.org/pdfFrame.cfm?pdf=MethanolFromCoalReport.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.methanol.org/pdfFrame.cfm?pdf=MethanolFromCoalReport.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Capps</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Capps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 05:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is Real cool JW can you get before congress and tell those Idiots?  There are way too many things that can be done to put the U.S.A. in great shape and the saudis in BAD shape But we have to do it! Let's DOOO something!!!!!
We don't have time to just talk about all the smart ideas we have...we have got to put the Mojo to it now! Come on all you Smart guys!  If you know how we can take back our Independence SHOUT IT OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is Real cool JW can you get before congress and tell those Idiots?  There are way too many things that can be done to put the U.S.A. in great shape and the saudis in BAD shape But we have to do it! Let&#8217;s DOOO something!!!!!<br />
We don&#8217;t have time to just talk about all the smart ideas we have&#8230;we have got to put the Mojo to it now! Come on all you Smart guys!  If you know how we can take back our Independence SHOUT IT OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: JW</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator>JW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 03:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>REUTERS  FEATURE-Liquid coal: A cheaper, cleaner 21st century fuel? [GQGRCZQ]

 By Steve James 

 NEW YORK, Dec 17 (Reuters) - When railroads ruled, it was 
the sweating firemen shoveling coal into the furnace who kept 
the engines running. 

 Now, nearly two centuries after Stephenson's "Rocket" steam 
locomotive helped usher in the Industrial Revolution, that same 
coal could be the fuel that keeps the jet age aloft. 

 But with a twist: The planes of the future could be flown 
with liquid fuel made from coal or natural gas. 

 Already the United States Air Force has carried out tests 
flying a B-52 Stratofortress with a coal-based fuel. 

 And JetBlue Airways Corp.  supports a bill in 
Congress that would extend tax credits for alternative fuels, 
pushing technology to produce jet fuel for the equivalent of 
$40 a barrel -- way below current oil prices. 

 Major coal mining companies in the United States, which has 
more coal reserves than Saudi Arabia has oil, are investing in 
ways to develop fuels derived from carbon. 

 The technology of producing a liquid fuel from coal or 
natural gas is hardly new. The Fischer-Tropsch process was 
developed by German researchers Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch 
in 1923 and used by Germany and Japan during World War II to 
produce alternative fuels. Indeed, in 1944, Germany produced 
6.5 million tons, or 124,000 barrels a day. 

 And coal-to-liquid (CTL) fuel is already in use elsewhere, 
like South Africa, where it meets 30 percent of transportation 
fuel needs. 

 In addition to being cheaper than oil, advocates point out 
that the fuel is environmentally friendlier and would also help 
America wean itself of foreign oil imports. 

 "America must reduce its dependence on foreign oil via 
environmentally sound and proven coal-to-liquid technologies," 
said JetBlue's founder and chief executive, David Neeleman. 
"Utilizing our domestic coal reserves is the right way to 
achieve energy independence." 

 In a recent briefing to power and energy executives, Luke 
Popovich, a spokesman for the National Mining Association, said 
bio-diesel fuels offer little in the way of reduced carbon 
dioxide emissions, have enormous production costs and present 
"serious transmission and infrastructure" problems. 

 In contrast, CTL transportation fuels are substantially 
cleaner-burning than conventional fuels. 

 Popovich warned that the United States risks falling behind 
economic competitors such as China, which plans to spend $25 
billion on CTL plants. 

 America is "already behind the curve" when it comes to 
tapping the vast liquid fuel potential that coal offers, said 
John Ward, of natural resources company Headwaters Inc. , 
which builds CTL plants. 

 He said plants in America would likely each produce 40,000 
barrels of CTL fuel per day, with a typical plant using 8.5 
million tons of coal per year. In contrast, China is focused on 
building plants capable of producing 60,000 barrels of CTL fuel 
per day, he said. 

 "There is significant investor interest in what could be a 
major growth opportunity," said Paul Clegg, an alternative 
energy analyst with Natexis Bleichroeder. 

 "It is a viable technology, but the question is where do 
hydrocarbon prices go now? Will we continue to see oil above 
$40 a barrel forever?" 

 In October, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer and a consortium 
of energy and technology companies announced the state will be 
home to one of America's first CTL energy plants. 

 The $1 billion Bull Mountain plant is slated to produce 
22,000 barrels per day of diesel fuel and 300 megawatts of 
electricity -- enough to power 240,000 homes -- in six years. 

 Schweitzer and the companies behind the plant, including 
Arch Coal  and DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC, say the 
production of fuel and electricity will not release the 
greenhouse gases associated with coal-generated electricity. 

 Arch has a 25-percent stake in DKRW and the companies are 
also developing a CTL plant in Medicine Bow, Wyoming. 

 At a recent coal industry conference, the heads of two of 
America's Big Four producers talked up CTL development. 

 Arch Coal Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Steven Leer 
said it "could be a game-changer." Chemical companies and 
railroads were asking him about using coal-based liquid fuels. 

 "It's a whole new group of potential customers," he said. 

  Peabody Energy  Chief Executive Gregory Boyce said 
of CTL: "Stay tuned, as the sector continues to evolve. 

 "I have heard reports that China can produce oil for $25 
per barrel from coal. We see it more in the $45 range here." 

 Peabody recently announced an agreement with Rentech 
 to evaluate sites in the Midwest and Montana for CTL 
projects. The plants could range in size from producing 10,000 
to 30,000 barrels of fuel per day and use approximately 3 
million to 9 million tons of coal annually. 

 Another alternative fuel company, Syntroleum , said 
recently that its ultra-clean jet fuel was successfully tested 
in a USAF B-52 at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. The bomber 
flew with a 50/50 blend of CTL and traditional JP-8 jet fuel. 

 "The program ... is the first step in opening up new 
horizons for sourcing fuel for military purposes," said Bill 
Harrison, a fuels expert with the Air Force Research Laboratory 
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. 

 The flight test was part of the Department of Defense's 
Assured Fuel Initiative to develop secure domestic sources for 
the military's energy needs. The Pentagon hopes to reduce its 
use of crude oil and foreign producers and get about half of 
its aviation fuel from alternative sources by 2016.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REUTERS  FEATURE-Liquid coal: A cheaper, cleaner 21st century fuel? [GQGRCZQ]</p>
<p> By Steve James </p>
<p> NEW YORK, Dec 17 (Reuters) - When railroads ruled, it was<br />
the sweating firemen shoveling coal into the furnace who kept<br />
the engines running. </p>
<p> Now, nearly two centuries after Stephenson&#8217;s &#8220;Rocket&#8221; steam<br />
locomotive helped usher in the Industrial Revolution, that same<br />
coal could be the fuel that keeps the jet age aloft. </p>
<p> But with a twist: The planes of the future could be flown<br />
with liquid fuel made from coal or natural gas. </p>
<p> Already the United States Air Force has carried out tests<br />
flying a B-52 Stratofortress with a coal-based fuel. </p>
<p> And JetBlue Airways Corp.  supports a bill in<br />
Congress that would extend tax credits for alternative fuels,<br />
pushing technology to produce jet fuel for the equivalent of<br />
$40 a barrel &#8212; way below current oil prices. </p>
<p> Major coal mining companies in the United States, which has<br />
more coal reserves than Saudi Arabia has oil, are investing in<br />
ways to develop fuels derived from carbon. </p>
<p> The technology of producing a liquid fuel from coal or<br />
natural gas is hardly new. The Fischer-Tropsch process was<br />
developed by German researchers Franz Fischer and Hans Tropsch<br />
in 1923 and used by Germany and Japan during World War II to<br />
produce alternative fuels. Indeed, in 1944, Germany produced<br />
6.5 million tons, or 124,000 barrels a day. </p>
<p> And coal-to-liquid (CTL) fuel is already in use elsewhere,<br />
like South Africa, where it meets 30 percent of transportation<br />
fuel needs. </p>
<p> In addition to being cheaper than oil, advocates point out<br />
that the fuel is environmentally friendlier and would also help<br />
America wean itself of foreign oil imports. </p>
<p> &#8220;America must reduce its dependence on foreign oil via<br />
environmentally sound and proven coal-to-liquid technologies,&#8221;<br />
said JetBlue&#8217;s founder and chief executive, David Neeleman.<br />
&#8220;Utilizing our domestic coal reserves is the right way to<br />
achieve energy independence.&#8221; </p>
<p> In a recent briefing to power and energy executives, Luke<br />
Popovich, a spokesman for the National Mining Association, said<br />
bio-diesel fuels offer little in the way of reduced carbon<br />
dioxide emissions, have enormous production costs and present<br />
&#8220;serious transmission and infrastructure&#8221; problems. </p>
<p> In contrast, CTL transportation fuels are substantially<br />
cleaner-burning than conventional fuels. </p>
<p> Popovich warned that the United States risks falling behind<br />
economic competitors such as China, which plans to spend $25<br />
billion on CTL plants. </p>
<p> America is &#8220;already behind the curve&#8221; when it comes to<br />
tapping the vast liquid fuel potential that coal offers, said<br />
John Ward, of natural resources company Headwaters Inc. ,<br />
which builds CTL plants. </p>
<p> He said plants in America would likely each produce 40,000<br />
barrels of CTL fuel per day, with a typical plant using 8.5<br />
million tons of coal per year. In contrast, China is focused on<br />
building plants capable of producing 60,000 barrels of CTL fuel<br />
per day, he said. </p>
<p> &#8220;There is significant investor interest in what could be a<br />
major growth opportunity,&#8221; said Paul Clegg, an alternative<br />
energy analyst with Natexis Bleichroeder. </p>
<p> &#8220;It is a viable technology, but the question is where do<br />
hydrocarbon prices go now? Will we continue to see oil above<br />
$40 a barrel forever?&#8221; </p>
<p> In October, Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer and a consortium<br />
of energy and technology companies announced the state will be<br />
home to one of America&#8217;s first CTL energy plants. </p>
<p> The $1 billion Bull Mountain plant is slated to produce<br />
22,000 barrels per day of diesel fuel and 300 megawatts of<br />
electricity &#8212; enough to power 240,000 homes &#8212; in six years. </p>
<p> Schweitzer and the companies behind the plant, including<br />
Arch Coal  and DKRW Advanced Fuels LLC, say the<br />
production of fuel and electricity will not release the<br />
greenhouse gases associated with coal-generated electricity. </p>
<p> Arch has a 25-percent stake in DKRW and the companies are<br />
also developing a CTL plant in Medicine Bow, Wyoming. </p>
<p> At a recent coal industry conference, the heads of two of<br />
America&#8217;s Big Four producers talked up CTL development. </p>
<p> Arch Coal Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Steven Leer<br />
said it &#8220;could be a game-changer.&#8221; Chemical companies and<br />
railroads were asking him about using coal-based liquid fuels. </p>
<p> &#8220;It&#8217;s a whole new group of potential customers,&#8221; he said. </p>
<p>  Peabody Energy  Chief Executive Gregory Boyce said<br />
of CTL: &#8220;Stay tuned, as the sector continues to evolve. </p>
<p> &#8220;I have heard reports that China can produce oil for $25<br />
per barrel from coal. We see it more in the $45 range here.&#8221; </p>
<p> Peabody recently announced an agreement with Rentech<br />
 to evaluate sites in the Midwest and Montana for CTL<br />
projects. The plants could range in size from producing 10,000<br />
to 30,000 barrels of fuel per day and use approximately 3<br />
million to 9 million tons of coal annually. </p>
<p> Another alternative fuel company, Syntroleum , said<br />
recently that its ultra-clean jet fuel was successfully tested<br />
in a USAF B-52 at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif. The bomber<br />
flew with a 50/50 blend of CTL and traditional JP-8 jet fuel. </p>
<p> &#8220;The program &#8230; is the first step in opening up new<br />
horizons for sourcing fuel for military purposes,&#8221; said Bill<br />
Harrison, a fuels expert with the Air Force Research Laboratory<br />
at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. </p>
<p> The flight test was part of the Department of Defense&#8217;s<br />
Assured Fuel Initiative to develop secure domestic sources for<br />
the military&#8217;s energy needs. The Pentagon hopes to reduce its<br />
use of crude oil and foreign producers and get about half of<br />
its aviation fuel from alternative sources by 2016.</p>
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		<title>By: christmasghost</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-162</link>
		<dc:creator>christmasghost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Feb 2007 05:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i must agree with chris capps' comment.
 it's a common sense approach that used to be the standard. we have BECOME very wasteful and we didn't used to be that way...and gas was cheap! but nowadays if a woman isn't in her car driving aimlessly around all day, while accomplishing very little, people think there is something wrong with her! thanks liberals for this new attitude.REALLY!
 why! they are a whole elite group now...the "soccer moms".......what rubbish. they are really just too lazy to plan ahead and do what people used to.....combine trips. 
my god, imagine [if you are over 40] what people would have said ,back in the day, about a woman who went to the grocery everyday.
 i think nitwit would have covered it...........
 meanwhile...what we really have to do is come up with a viable alternative to oil. for everything. we can't forget plastics production either.
 i am a partner in a high tech company that specializes in developing new bio-analylitical procedures and equipment ,that are near solvent free, for use in pharmaceutical and environmental applications.
 it's a start.
 until we "pauperize" the terrorists by making oil a non-starter ...we will continue to be at great risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i must agree with chris capps&#8217; comment.<br />
 it&#8217;s a common sense approach that used to be the standard. we have BECOME very wasteful and we didn&#8217;t used to be that way&#8230;and gas was cheap! but nowadays if a woman isn&#8217;t in her car driving aimlessly around all day, while accomplishing very little, people think there is something wrong with her! thanks liberals for this new attitude.REALLY!<br />
 why! they are a whole elite group now&#8230;the &#8220;soccer moms&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;.what rubbish. they are really just too lazy to plan ahead and do what people used to&#8230;..combine trips.<br />
my god, imagine [if you are over 40] what people would have said ,back in the day, about a woman who went to the grocery everyday.<br />
 i think nitwit would have covered it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<br />
 meanwhile&#8230;what we really have to do is come up with a viable alternative to oil. for everything. we can&#8217;t forget plastics production either.<br />
 i am a partner in a high tech company that specializes in developing new bio-analylitical procedures and equipment ,that are near solvent free, for use in pharmaceutical and environmental applications.<br />
 it&#8217;s a start.<br />
 until we &#8220;pauperize&#8221; the terrorists by making oil a non-starter &#8230;we will continue to be at great risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Capps</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Capps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go read my post on not buying it I left out a couple of words but what I said still makes sense.  Until we have a new fuel source we can all, every single person from the free world(you don't even have to be American) can use less gasoline.  Combine trips to town.  You can do with out cheese on your Broccoli tonight or milk in the morning.  Use sticky notes and put them on your steering wheel the next day. Cheese, milk, eggs and bread. This may sound too simple but if we as free men and women committed to doing this every where, The OIL Idiots will have to start hurting.CHECK OUT Aquagyn.com fuel from water.  Let's join together to tell chaveze and that smiling Iranian dude to suck their own fuel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go read my post on not buying it I left out a couple of words but what I said still makes sense.  Until we have a new fuel source we can all, every single person from the free world(you don&#8217;t even have to be American) can use less gasoline.  Combine trips to town.  You can do with out cheese on your Broccoli tonight or milk in the morning.  Use sticky notes and put them on your steering wheel the next day. Cheese, milk, eggs and bread. This may sound too simple but if we as free men and women committed to doing this every where, The OIL Idiots will have to start hurting.CHECK OUT Aquagyn.com fuel from water.  Let&#8217;s join together to tell chaveze and that smiling Iranian dude to suck their own fuel.</p>
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		<title>By: TheGuy</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-153</link>
		<dc:creator>TheGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 17:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIT has released a study which indicates that Enhanced Geothermal Systems could provide all the electricity America needs for hundreds if not thousands of years. Some of the technology is new, but most of it is based on principles of oil well drilling and thus is something easy and practical to do. Certainly much cheaper than continuing to build oil tankers, pipelines and coal mines.
More info here:
http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=17236&#38;ch=biztech
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/geothermal.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIT has released a study which indicates that Enhanced Geothermal Systems could provide all the electricity America needs for hundreds if not thousands of years. Some of the technology is new, but most of it is based on principles of oil well drilling and thus is something easy and practical to do. Certainly much cheaper than continuing to build oil tankers, pipelines and coal mines.<br />
More info here:<br />
<a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=17236&amp;ch=biztech" rel="nofollow">http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=17236&amp;ch=biztech</a><br />
<a href="http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/geothermal.html" rel="nofollow">http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2007/geothermal.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Big Gav</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-141</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Gav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 10:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a big fan of smart grids and an electric transport system - which is the way of becoming completely independent of middle east oil.

The key to enabling this is energy storage - with companies like EEStor and Altair look like solving.

Electric vehicles and plugin hybrids are now at the point where they can begin replacing conventional oil fueled cars (look at Tesla Motors and Phoenix Motorcars for good examples that will be on the roads soon - though buying one is a challenge given their backlog of orders).

Having cars with large energy storage units in them dispersed out across the landscape enables the next step, which is building a smarter grid - one with net metering to every node and energy storage at the nodes (Richard Smalley used to envisage in house energy storage units but it appears the car based storage unit - or V2G : Vehicle to grid concept - will be the mechanism which delivers this).

Once there is distributed energy storage the main problem with big renewable energy sources like wind, tidal/wave and solar - intermittency - disappears, so these can be harnessed on a large (dominant scale).

At this point you have a transport system that no longer requires foreign oil (or coal or uranium) - true energy independence - and based on American technology.

AAt that point you no longer need to care what the Arabs (or Hugo) thinks or does...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of smart grids and an electric transport system - which is the way of becoming completely independent of middle east oil.</p>
<p>The key to enabling this is energy storage - with companies like EEStor and Altair look like solving.</p>
<p>Electric vehicles and plugin hybrids are now at the point where they can begin replacing conventional oil fueled cars (look at Tesla Motors and Phoenix Motorcars for good examples that will be on the roads soon - though buying one is a challenge given their backlog of orders).</p>
<p>Having cars with large energy storage units in them dispersed out across the landscape enables the next step, which is building a smarter grid - one with net metering to every node and energy storage at the nodes (Richard Smalley used to envisage in house energy storage units but it appears the car based storage unit - or V2G : Vehicle to grid concept - will be the mechanism which delivers this).</p>
<p>Once there is distributed energy storage the main problem with big renewable energy sources like wind, tidal/wave and solar - intermittency - disappears, so these can be harnessed on a large (dominant scale).</p>
<p>At this point you have a transport system that no longer requires foreign oil (or coal or uranium) - true energy independence - and based on American technology.</p>
<p>AAt that point you no longer need to care what the Arabs (or Hugo) thinks or does&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 03:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'll second nuclear power.

Two routes present themselves:

1) Use nuclear power to crack water, and then the Sabatier process to turn the H2 into CH4 ( Methane ). Methane is easier to store than H2, and conversion of autos to burn methane is trivially easy.

2) Use nuclear power directly. A Strontium-90 pebblebed battery/reactor can be fitted into an SUV. Iridium coated SR-90 pebbles are not going to be damaged by an auto accident, and only release heat and Beta radiation ( electrons ) into the environment. Refueling is required every 45 years ... so the cost of the reactor can be amortized over that time period.

The reactor should be a deposit item ... you lease the reactor, but own the vehicle. If the vehicle becomes un-usable over time, you have the company that provided the reactor come and fetch it.

Poor folks can lease used reactors that do not have a full 45 years of usability left ... something can be worked out concerning the deposit ( insurance and a pro mise to return it ... whatever ).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second nuclear power.</p>
<p>Two routes present themselves:</p>
<p>1) Use nuclear power to crack water, and then the Sabatier process to turn the H2 into CH4 ( Methane ). Methane is easier to store than H2, and conversion of autos to burn methane is trivially easy.</p>
<p>2) Use nuclear power directly. A Strontium-90 pebblebed battery/reactor can be fitted into an SUV. Iridium coated SR-90 pebbles are not going to be damaged by an auto accident, and only release heat and Beta radiation ( electrons ) into the environment. Refueling is required every 45 years &#8230; so the cost of the reactor can be amortized over that time period.</p>
<p>The reactor should be a deposit item &#8230; you lease the reactor, but own the vehicle. If the vehicle becomes un-usable over time, you have the company that provided the reactor come and fetch it.</p>
<p>Poor folks can lease used reactors that do not have a full 45 years of usability left &#8230; something can be worked out concerning the deposit ( insurance and a pro mise to return it &#8230; whatever ).</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.terrarossa.com/open-thread-new-solutions/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 02:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I pray the solar guy is on to something, but I vote that we develop our existing oil and natural gas resources such as ANWR and the federal offshore areas.  The Minerals Management Service estimates that there are 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas that are technically recoverable from all federal offshore areas.  

A future solution I'd like to see is the development of methane hydrates.  Oak Ridge National Laboratory says "“Estimates on how much energy is stored in methane hydrates range from 350 years’ supply to 3500 years’ supply based on current energy consumption.” http://www.ornl.gov/info/reporter/no16/methane.htm  In short, there's a lot of energy in methane hydrates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pray the solar guy is on to something, but I vote that we develop our existing oil and natural gas resources such as ANWR and the federal offshore areas.  The Minerals Management Service estimates that there are 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic feet of natural gas that are technically recoverable from all federal offshore areas.  </p>
<p>A future solution I&#8217;d like to see is the development of methane hydrates.  Oak Ridge National Laboratory says &#8220;“Estimates on how much energy is stored in methane hydrates range from 350 years’ supply to 3500 years’ supply based on current energy consumption.” <a href="http://www.ornl.gov/info/reporter/no16/methane.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ornl.gov/info/reporter/no16/methane.htm</a>  In short, there&#8217;s a lot of energy in methane hydrates.</p>
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